to be honest i have a lot more confidence in chuck hagel than the president when it comes to defense. there is so much instability in the world. when you look at egypt and libya and syria and iran, rapidly moving toward a nuclear bomb, to some sense to say we're in this post war era where things are rosie i think is wrong. we always need to be prepared. >> the point is what we need in terms of what we need in terms of how we deal with the changing threats is different. maybe what we don't need is thousands of troops but we need a smaller complement of troops and we need to have a strategy that also includes, you know, civilian as well as a state department as well as intelligence forces working together in a very different way than we've seen before to confront these new challenges. >> karen finney, john brayvender, we are out of time. thanks to both of you. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> while we keep our eye on that ceremony at the pentagon, let's check the news feed this morning. startling new video from that fatal hot air balloon crash in egypt yesterday. a witness captured th